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Board Consolidation

Postby curby.net » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:19 pm

Hi, I'd like the suggest the consolidation and reorganization of subforums.  Forums and groups should be organized so that there are a reasonable number of items in each.  At the extreme, having one item (forum thread) per group (subforum) means that things are so divided that there's no organization at all.  As I scroll down four pages of subforums, only a handful have more than 100 posts.  Relatedly, having 15+ subforums in a forum group (e.g. "The Real World") seems like too many: by the time you scroll to the bottom of the list you can't even see what forum group you're in.  

Having too many subforums creates the problem where people don't know where to post new threads, and people don't know where to look first for relevant topics.  If and when we have 10k posts per day here, we'll certainly need to have more subforums to control and segregate data but now is not that time.

A forum software switch is a great time to change the organization of forum groups, so we move forward with a fresh look and organization.

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I'd recommend breaking up the first group of forums into three groups: team/admin, general help, and specific help.  I've placed all the team-related stuff at the top as one of the primary goals of this site is to promote a sense of community and team spirit.  Group names should be short so they're easily parsed, and groups should contain only a handful of relevant subforums.  

Don't repeat words in forum names.  It makes the "breadcrumb trail" at the top difficult to parse.  Compare the current:

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Team MacOS X's International Forums » Team MacOS X Folding Forums » Official Announcements


to my proposed:

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Team MacOS X's International Forums » Team-related » News and Announcements


We know these are forums, so we don't need to say it twice.  We know what team we are, so we don't need to say it twice.  The major group gives context to the subgroup, so repetition is not necessary as long as organization is sufficient.

Below, parenthesized text are comments and aren't meant to appear on the actual web page.  Subforum descriptions are given when different, current descriptions can be used otherwise.

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Team-related
-- News and Announcements (previously Official Announcements and Member News)
     Official announcements (stickied) and announcements by members
-- Introduce Yourself
-- Competitions and Congratulations
-- Suggestion Box and Feedback

General News and Help (no need to keep on repeating Team Mac OS X, too verbose and redundant)
-- Folding News (previously General/Misc and other subforums, should be much more prominent and near the top than it is now)
     Client upgrades, project-wide changes, etc.
-- Help Central (recommend lock so new threads can be posted in appropriate subforums below)
-- FAQs and Guides (previously FAQs)
     In-depth introductions and wide-ranging FAQs
-- Tips and Tricks
     Post your folding tips and tricks for others here!

Platforum-specific Folding Help
-- Intel/SMP Macs OS X (keep these names short and consistent.  No need to say folding, as the forum group makes that clear)
-- PPC Mac OS X
-- Linux
-- Windows
-- GPU
-- PS3
-- Increase
-- DIY Computers and Folding Hardware (previously Hardcore Folding and Technophilia, drooling at fancy tech should not go here.  only questions about hardware recommendations, configuration, etc.)


So we end up with three forum groups with more relevant subforums and shorter names that provide context without repetition.  Hopefully a win for overall ease of use and organization.

Off Topic Forums

The real world has many opportunities for largely stagnant subforums to be combined.  For example:

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The Real World
-- International Forum (minus the s, as it's one subforum)
-- Apple and OS X News (previously OS X Updates and Security Issues / Apple Bits n' Pieces, Software updates, news, rumors that do not directly impact folding should go here)
-- Shiny Toys (more serious name is fine, but the latest graphics cards, desktop supercomputers, and other tech/gear should go here.  our very own engadget/gizmodo)
-- Hardware and OS X Help (previously Hardware and Upgrades, GeoPort, OS X Help, etc.  it's hard for end users to know whether a problem is caused by an OS or hardware issue, but it should be clear where they should post)
-- OS X Tips and Tricks (For those offering vs requesting help and tips, our very own macosxhints, also encompasses Sources and Resources)
-- Art and Entertainment (previously Arts, Lit, Entertainment / Music / Graphics and Design.  We could pigeonhole endlessly, but the current traffic suggests that separation isn't necessary.  Now we include everything from music to movies to photography to graphic design)
-- Humor and Leisure (why not combine?  We might even want to throw it in with A&E above, after all a lot of leisure posts are games, which certainly go with A&E)
-- General Discussion


Thus we've combined a sprawling list of low-traffic subforums into 7-8 relevant subforums.  Combining traffic also makes the boards look more active, as there are more active threads!   :p


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Postby Plutronics » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:06 am

You've got my vote !
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Postby Phantom » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:54 am

I, too, am supportive of a consolidation that would make things easier for our visitors and members.

Let's continue the discussion of what we would like to see...  (One of the challenges that we face while moving/merging/combining forums is that existing links between posts will break unless we carefully convert every link while migrating from our current iB3-based forums to our new phpBB3-based forums...)

I will work on a test conversation that we can "explore" in our phpBB3-based test forum area -- and further refine the proposed mapping before making the switch to phpBB3...

The resulting proposal could then be easily visualized and vetted within the full team management.
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Postby Phantom » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:23 am

The restructuring has been prototyped on the test forum...  Feedback requested.

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Postby jackrabbit » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:18 am

I frequently get lost in the board structure and have stopped using that form of navigation. You've got my thumb's up.
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Postby curby.net » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:28 am

Looking good.  I think it would be helpful to define what types of questions should go in Help Central vs the platform-specific subforums.  Guidelines regarding that split should be placed in the subforum description field to guide users to the right place.  I now see many uses for a generic forum: for questions regarding accounts, passkeys, etc. that are not directly related to a specific platform.  In other words, having a split is a good idea, but some separation should be defined or else everything will just get posted to Help Central, because it's the first place people see.

Alternately, we could have another type of split: one subforum with news, guides, tips, etc. (i.e. a "help others" group) and another group with both help central and the platform-specific subforums (i.e. a "help me" group).

Just 2 more cents, but it's looking great.  Thanks for considering my suggestion. =)

How is the link conversion script going?  I.e. if threads have to be moved en masse to new subforums, will there be a ton of broken links?
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Postby Phantom » Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:23 am

The scripts are basically completed.  Waiting review and any customization discussions prior to switching over and then starting the enhancement process with new, modern forum software.

The majority of the script effort was spent to ensure that links should not break.  (The devil was/is in the details!)

Please point out any broken links you see in the test forum.  (Some of those links have been broken for many years and the conversion scripts are not able to fix those -- but existing "good" links should remain good following the conversion.)
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